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Phoenix Tears · Feb 09, 2008, 12:59 PM // 12:59

as i suggested..the whole concept of SBR should be changed..as this Minigame is in its momentanous state, its just cheap broken crap, which is just way to laggy and too unbalanced to let this minigame be "skill based", other then perma "luck based".

This tiny bit of knowledge you need in this minigame is just the points, where it is best to use dashes and rams and where the boxes are all to calculate for you the best route to miss mostly none box on the road to ensure you the best chances to get eventually SB/Echo combos.

But I'm personally sure, there are also some hidden shortcut bugs or so, maybe at this dumb clipping spiral poin, otherwise I can#t absolutely understand, how these guys in the top 100 get ever higher than 470+ or so...

The absolute average, with only 1 SB is around 444, with Sb and echo maybe around 455, as logn u don't get rubberbanding/kd'ed btw both together, what is most annoying, when you get kd'ed, whiele you are lagging ....

The system about 3 core skills and 5 unlockable randomous skills is just crap...RBR should be based on normal skill system, with energy cost, reload times and cast times and let the player use all their skills, whenever they want !!!

Then..ONLY then you can really speak of "skill" in this minigame, because then will win only the skilled players, which know when to use which skills best and for which situation the skills are best and can also e manage them self good enough to not run out of energy in the middle of the race, when its important to you to have some to use your skills.

Also the battles should be more about fighting..not about knock downing only each other. instead of knockdowns, the players shoudl be only able to slown down others

Tarkin · Feb 09, 2008, 01:17 PM // 13:17

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Originally Posted by Im Using The Force

480+ on only 2 supers huh?
Ill believe it when I see it.

Is hard to belive... but no one kown how the rollerbeetle works in deep, and how make high scores... maybe you get bonus points? for pass over something or for dont get any box? extra points for strike foes? extra points for dont KD? I belive in extra points for doing or for not doing something while in the race...

Before flags, i enter in furnace kill all foes close of the bosses, go far away and kill or trap henchs in gates and return kill the boss and get the greens... make 50k <> 400k per run its 1 month afther furnace release... i have skill + something other players dont have... knowledge of how drop system work and how max the drops for me...

I belive a skilled player can get a high score with few supers... but i think they kown something the normal or casual players dont kown...

Sorry my weak english...

Draikin · Feb 09, 2008, 01:49 PM // 13:49

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Originally Posted by Navaros

The ingenuity skills required to uncover the best way to exploit game mechanics on the map should not be the "skills" that are most respected and reward-worthy in regards to rollerbeetle racing. Everyone is not on an even playing field that way. Making the playing field even by outing all the secrets, and then letting actual skill in performing the secrets within the race gameplay determine the winner - those are legitimate gameplay skills that should be respected and fairly determine & reward the winner. Yes the results would be random, but random results in which the whole playerbase has a chance to fairly compete with each other on an even playing field is a lot better than how it is now.

The problem here is that nobody is going to reveal the best ways to exploit the game mechanics because of the rewards. Last time someone did that he lost out on a minibeetle.

Ekelon · Feb 09, 2008, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by Tarkin

Is hard to belive... but no one kown how the rollerbeetle works in deep, and how make high scores... maybe you get bonus points? for pass over something or for dont get any box? extra points for strike foes? extra points for dont KD? I belive in extra points for doing or for not doing something while in the race...

Before flags, i enter in furnace kill all foes close of the bosses, go far away and kill or trap henchs in gates and return kill the boss and get the greens... make 50k <> 400k per run its 1 month afther furnace release... i have skill + something other players dont have... knowledge of how drop system work and how max the drops for me...

I belive a skilled player can get a high score with few supers... but i think they kown something the normal or casual players dont kown...

Sorry my weak english...

Yea, top rollers have the knowledge on HOW to use the echo + srb's. Obviously if you get the echo + srb at last box you can't expect to get a good score, you have to get it early on. We found this out by countless hours of experimentation and trial and error. I've talked to some of the other top rollers who have gotten 480k+ and we have different theories about when to dash + ram and stuff like that, so there is more than 1 way to do it.

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Originally Posted by Draikin

The problem here is that nobody is going to reveal the best ways to exploit the game mechanics because of the rewards. Last time someone did that he lost out on a minibeetle.

Yea, and also, since once you learn how to dash and ram, THEN is becomes a game of luck. So if everyone had the knowledge on how to use their boosts, then rollerbeetles would truly become a game of luck.

Draikin · Feb 09, 2008, 02:57 PM // 14:57

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Originally Posted by Ekelon

Yea, and also, since once you learn how to dash and ram, THEN is becomes a game of luck. So if everyone had the knowledge on how to use their boosts, then rollerbeetles would truly become a game of luck.

What score would you be able to get using only one echo and no SRB's? If I only get one echo I'll usually end up at around 467k, I'd like to know how good or bad that actually is compared to the top players. Unfortunately I'm simply not getting any echo + SRB combo at all, so my top time is only around 470k so far.

Mad Pig · Feb 09, 2008, 03:42 PM // 15:42

i made 453 with 1 SB and no kd at all, and one time i waited 20 sec at the start and got 3 SB:P

Killed u man · Feb 09, 2008, 03:45 PM // 15:45

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Originally Posted by Draikin

What score would you be able to get using only one echo and no SRB's? If I only get one echo I'll usually end up at around 467k, I'd like to know how good or bad that actually is compared to the top players. Unfortunately I'm simply not getting any echo + SRB combo at all, so my top time is only around 470k so far.

I would love to know aswell... So far I've only gotten A Max of 3 SRB's, however, I did have 2 PvE scrubs Kd'ing me non-stop in the beginning, endig up with a 460 Highscore...

Shiing! · Feb 09, 2008, 05:24 PM // 17:24

This is my opinion: Luck is the only factor. Echo SRB is the only way to get onto the records (it must be, come on).. The people on the record board are lucky - there may be a certain amount of skill (knowing when to use buffs, etc) but nah. They're lucky.

Martin Alvito · Feb 09, 2008, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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Originally Posted by Draikin

What score would you be able to get using only one echo and no SRB's? If I only get one echo I'll usually end up at around 467k, I'd like to know how good or bad that actually is compared to the top players. Unfortunately I'm simply not getting any echo + SRB combo at all, so my top time is only around 470k so far.

If you're posting a 467k without an SRB, you're doing something closer to what Yuris Sayuri is doing than the classic echo/SRB method. If that's the case, the echo/SRB won't help you as much as you might think.

If I remember what Yuris told me last year (and the run like this I saw), he posts about a 473k with just an echo.

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Originally Posted by Draikin

The problem here is that nobody is going to reveal the best ways to exploit the game mechanics because of the rewards. Last time someone did that he lost out on a minibeetle.

I know that I won't be clearing up the inaccuracies in the map that was posted here last year. I hardly see how finding the most efficient way to do something is exploitation, however. It's simply maximizing the efficient use of one's time; certainly you'd rather farm 30k/hr than 10k, right?

Rexion · Feb 09, 2008, 07:03 PM // 19:03

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Originally Posted by Tarkin

Dont mather how many high scores you have in top 100, the acount will win only 1 mini pet, and the outsiders off top 100 will bump and receive a mini pet... its a old fact...

I know. I was saying, that if the top 100 could only 1 high-school per account, then there will be 100 different accounts on daily/weekly/monthly. This would allow more people to get the mini pet

Draikin · Feb 09, 2008, 08:02 PM // 20:02

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

If you're posting a 467k without an SRB, you're doing something closer to what Yuris Sayuri is doing than the classic echo/SRB method. If that's the case, the echo/SRB won't help you as much as you might think.

That might explain why I currently have problems using an SRB efficiently during a race.

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

I hardly see how finding the most efficient way to do something is exploitation, however.

You're right, "exploiting" would indeed refer more to exploiting actual bugs to gain an advantage which isn't the case here. People that post top 100 times consistently simply have a better understanding of the game mechanics.

Squeal · Feb 09, 2008, 08:13 PM // 20:13

THERE IS NO CHEAT! NO HAX!

Yuris is in our alliance.
I asked him "How did he do this?"
He said: "All people doing it wrong! It's all about timing"

Mur · Feb 09, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

I have been rollerbeetle racing since the event started. I've played 120+ games. There were a few games I received three SRB's and had NO KD's. My speed meter was virtually full the whole length of the track. Heck no else had time to finish before they got DCed.

My best time was 462000. Now you can tell me the game is luck based, because it is. Try to explain to me how the same people have 30+ spots in the top 100 in 12 hours worth of time with scores upwards of 480000, and things get ugly. I'm not trying to be a poor sport here, but how can anyone pull off something like that without cheating? I'm not sure how they do it, and we'll most likely never know, but if you want my advice...

Don't waste your time. Just play for fun...because the odds are certainly stacked miles high against you. It's a shame really, if the game was based on number of games played or average score after the event was over...

All I wanted was one little beetle.

EDIT: Congratulations to those of you that hit the top 100 and don't have a dozen times up there. I wish I had your scores! Maybe I'm just very unlucky, who knows!

Sold!er · Feb 09, 2008, 08:43 PM // 20:43

i had a score of 457k with 4 SRB (2echos + 2SBR)

i think i'm failing
what am i doing wrong? lol

Ancient Menace · Feb 09, 2008, 08:49 PM // 20:49

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Originally Posted by Squeal

THERE IS NO CHEAT! NO HAX!

Yuris is in our alliance.
I asked him "How did he do this?"
He said: "All people doing it wrong! It's all about timing"

Oh, well if he told your alliance that he's not cheating then he must not be.

I do believe it's knowledge of the course and certain intricacies, but I won't go so far as to say it's "skill".

If that's the case then Ursan takes "skill" too.

roflcopter ownage · Feb 09, 2008, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

as i suggested..the whole concept of SBR should be changed..as this Minigame is in its momentanous state, its just cheap broken crap, which is just way to laggy and too unbalanced to let this minigame be "skill based", other then perma "luck based".

This tiny bit of knowledge you need in this minigame is just the points, where it is best to use dashes and rams and where the boxes are all to calculate for you the best route to miss mostly none box on the road to ensure you the best chances to get eventually SB/Echo combos.

But I'm personally sure, there are also some hidden shortcut bugs or so, maybe at this dumb clipping spiral poin, otherwise I can#t absolutely understand, how these guys in the top 100 get ever higher than 470+ or so...

The absolute average, with only 1 SB is around 444, with Sb and echo maybe around 455, as logn u don't get rubberbanding/kd'ed btw both together, what is most annoying, when you get kd'ed, whiele you are lagging ....

The system about 3 core skills and 5 unlockable randomous skills is just crap...RBR should be based on normal skill system, with energy cost, reload times and cast times and let the player use all their skills, whenever they want !!!

Then..ONLY then you can really speak of "skill" in this minigame, because then will win only the skilled players, which know when to use which skills best and for which situation the skills are best and can also e manage them self good enough to not run out of energy in the middle of the race, when its important to you to have some to use your skills.

Also the battles should be more about fighting..not about knock downing only each other. instead of knockdowns, the players shoudl be only able to slown down others

I can get 20 consec and multiple high scores. Yep, theres definitly no skill in there, of course its all luck

And i don't think its even possible to "cheat" in guild wars.

Killed u man · Feb 09, 2008, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by Squeal

THERE IS NO CHEAT! NO HAX!

Yuris is in our alliance.
I asked him "How did he do this?"
He said: "All people doing it wrong! It's all about timing"

If it is ALL about "timing", than it is abusing an exploit, seeing how it is documented NOWHERE that you go faster/slower when using certain skills at certain spots...

E.G, iF someone he can make a Regular dash last "longer" (Make him go bit faster, and stretch it out) it is concidered exploiting, because it ISN'T documented everywhere, not even by devs, and thus it is concidered an unwanted/unintended effect, aka an exploit...

I know for a FACT, the fastest way to get out on the start is by using Ram + Shield, and the millisecond ram ends, press Dash. I'm always first out with +- "Nearby" or even "Earshot" between me and the second guy. However, this can be seen as abusing an exploit, because it shouldn't be. Logic tells us that no matter where you try your speed buff, it should always give the same ammount of boost (Skill description), and if it doesn't (And it doesn't, because my method obviously is the fastest one) than the skill description are incorrect, and it needs to be explained somewhere on HOW the speed buff's work exactly, thus ending up in giving EVERYONE a fair chance...

[DE] · Feb 09, 2008, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

If it is ALL about "timing", than it is abusing an exploit, seeing how it is documented NOWHERE that you go faster/slower when using certain skills at certain spots...

E.G, iF someone he can make a Regular dash last "longer" (Make him go bit faster, and stretch it out) it is concidered exploiting, because it ISN'T documented everywhere, not even by devs, and thus it is concidered an unwanted/unintended effect, aka an exploit...

I know for a FACT, the fastest way to get out on the start is by using Ram + Shield, and the millisecond ram ends, press Dash. I'm always first out with +- "Nearby" or even "Earshot" between me and the second guy. However, this can be seen as abusing an exploit, because it shouldn't be. Logic tells us that no matter where you try your speed buff, it should always give the same ammount of boost (Skill description), and if it doesn't (And it doesn't, because my method obviously is the fastest one) than the skill description are incorrect, and it needs to be explained somewhere on HOW the speed buff's work exactly, thus ending up in giving EVERYONE a fair chance...

Just lol. Seriously. Timing doesn't mean skills last longer or shorter.

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I do believe it's knowledge of the course and certain intricacies, but I won't go so far as to say it's "skill".

If that's the case then Ursan takes "skill" too.

Understanding a course and how to maximize your efficiency at clearing it the fastest is considered skill. Mashing your face on your keyboard to create insane DPS is not.

roflcopter ownage · Feb 09, 2008, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

If I remember what Yuris told me last year (and the run like this I saw), he posts about a 473k with just an echo.

?

Wow. If thats true, he really found a good strategy. Maybe we could get all the top racers on a ts or vent server lol

Mur · Feb 09, 2008, 09:18 PM // 21:18

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Originally Posted by roflcopter ownage

I can get 20 consec and multiple high scores. Yep, theres definitly no skill in there, of course its all luck

And i don't think its even possible to "cheat" in guild wars.

*Shrug*

More power to you I suppose.